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Pull up a chair across the counter your one-stop shop for a variety of perspectives around Jesus and Christianity.
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I'm Grant Lockridge and I'm here with Scott Erickson.
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He is an artist, he is an author, he is a speaker and he is a creative pilgrim, so that's pretty fun.
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So, scott, what kind of led you to get into all the things the art, the author, all that jazz?
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What got you into that stuff?
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I like to say I'm an artist because I'm a haunted person.
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I mean.
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Things come to me every day and they're like make me.
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And I'm like I can't, I'm driving right now, I'll get in an accident and they're like make me, or we'll go away, and I'm like okay yeah, I'm pulling over, Don't go away.
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Yeah, I just something has.
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You know, I'm less interested in giving definitions for it.
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Some people will be like well, that's God, the great muse, the spirit, parts of your brain we don't understand, I don't know.
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Things come to me, ideas, creative ideas, images, concepts, and I have over decades of my life.
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I have fostered a conversation with that and now, vocationally, that is kind of translating that into images, books, experiences, and that's how I view myself as an artist and creative.
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Pilgrim means I'm on a pilgrimage, I'm on a journey and I'm imaging that pilgrimage and leaving artifacts along the way, and those have really resonated with people, which is kind of why we're talking today in some ways.
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So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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I've had a lot of jobs.
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I've been a high school teacher, a high school high school teacher.
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Mostly I've been a waiter.
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If I had a second job I've done the most worked at um, worked at nonprofits, worked at a design agency, um to have done lots of things, so yeah, that's awesome.
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Um so, tell me a little bit about this say yes campaign, as it were.
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So I, years ago, I went through a really difficult time when I was about to turn 40, like most people do.
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It's just a number created by astronomy, but it is a narrative of like, oh, did I do everything I hoped I did by this point?
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Am I too late?
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Can I do something different?
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Is there new things to discover?
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And we have this throughout our lives.
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I remember when I turned 25 and I was like well, I thought I was going to be married and have a kid by now, and I'm still single.
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And so I was like I've only planned my life up until this point, so I guess everything is an adventure.
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Afterwards, we kind of set these arbitrary dates of this is what I expect my life to be like, and 40 is just a big one and it does feel like a threshold.
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It is a weird kind of first half, second half, but I, I, I kind of I got in touch with something that I I really wish I would have.
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I think I got in touch with who I wanted to be in the world and I feel like I had been wandering around my life aimlessly up until that point and it it kind of led me to go well, what do you want to do and can I start doing that now?
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And so I started to work towards which was I wanted to.
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I think I was like I think I'm much more of a performing artist.
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I think I I don't think I'm a studio artist.
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I think I'm much more of a performing artist.
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I don't think I'm a studio artist.
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I think I'm actually a performing artist.
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But the narrative in my head, the voice in my head, would say nobody cares about an almost 40-year-old man trying to become a performing artist.
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And I was like that's a really strong argument Because it sounds embarrassing to try.
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And so I actually started and I bumped up against like some real depression, suicidal ideation, and I knew I needed to.
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I started developing these kinds of like mental health, spiritual practices to help me in these conversations and I found that they actually really worked.
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And then I again going back to the conversation, I heard the.
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I heard the muse, the giver of my life, go.
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I want you to start, I want you to start talking about this stuff.
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And so I started.
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I started talking about it.
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I talked about it on a podcast.
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I put it into a talk.
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I did the talk a few times.
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People were like, wow, it's really good.
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And then I, and then that was around the time Anthony Bourdain killed himself and and I really, you know, I didn't know him and I know since then we've seen a lot more about his hidden life, but I really he represented to me and a lot of my friends what we all hoped about our lives, which is we could unabashedly be ourselves, and in doing that, it would lead us to fame, travel experiences, endless visiting of bars around the world, and for him to go.
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I don't even want to be in my life, really just confronted the.
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I'm sorry, can we swear on this podcast?
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I just I, I'm totally cool, if we can.
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Sure.
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I'll.
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Just, I'm not a big one, I'll uh, I, you know it just confronted the bullshit narrative which is when I get there it'll fill me, and it's not.
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And that's always a lie when you think, oh, finally, I'll be fulfilled when I get there.
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And it's always a lie when you think, oh, finally, I'll be fulfilled when I get there.
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And it's not true.
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And yet I was doing these things that were like fostering, moving forward and trying and being a contribution, and so I was like I have something here that I should really spend, I should offer something to this conversation, and so I really committed to say yes.
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At that point.
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It was just called the liturgy of not giving up on yourself, which is like a real long title.
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So my friend was like you gotta have like a title for it.
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That's the subtitle.
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And so I started zhuzhing it into a show and it probably took me, you know, 15, 20 times to really kind of build some art pieces and some interactive stuff and and comedy.
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And you know, because I knew I wanted to make uh, I wanted to make a church service about suicide, because I've never been to one, but I've definitely been to church services that were so boring, I wanted.
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I thought about killing myself while I was there and that made me laugh when I said that and I was like, oh, you have to make like a comedy, weird art show.
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You can't just come at suit because giving up is on a spectrum, suicides on that.
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But I've seen plenty of people like die while still being alive.
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I've seen plenty of people binge watch something all the time and not deal with their life, numb out alcohol, drugs, just go right to.
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You know, do you think about killing yourself?
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Cause, like, because that isn't.
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That's one piece of like a long road, that's one part of a long journey, and and and and so, as I started like fleshing it out, there was so much there about mental health, spirituality, you know, and my big kind of conclusion you haven't seen it, but I know you have the book, but like I really push on my end times training that I had growing up in evangelicalism and what I really push on is like being obsessed with when Jesus is going to come back is the exact same thing as suicidal ideation, because both of them are trying to control a pain you don't feel that you have control over.
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And what is the pain?
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The pain is the mystery of existing, that's the pain, and religion and science and all kinds of things are trying to deal with the mystery of being alive, and and I and I kind of worked through that, but that was really poignant for me.
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Oh, when I realized I was like, oh, end times obsession is for those who I don't know if your audience end times it's just like, uh, using the Bible as like a code book to go this, this date, this time, jesus is going to come back and reality as we know it will change over and it'll all be golden and glorious and apparently God agrees with the way we see everything and it'll be the way.
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It'll be the heaven I want, and um and to go.
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That's just.
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That's just suicidal ideation too.
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That's just like you know, and there's so many things to that.
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It was just like I can't believe the culture I grew up in.
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And.
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I and I make and I say a lot about like how I liked, how I grew up, and nobody was really crazy.
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Nobody was like you know, thursday it's going to happen, bring your Nikes.
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You know nobody was doing that.
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But people were like, oh yeah, we, you know, I won't die because Jesus is going to come back.
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And you know, I remember being at a middle school retreat and like adults are telling you know, adults, like as a kid, you trust adults because they can buy milkshakes at any time, they can drive cars.
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You're trusting these adults.
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And then these grown adults are like telling these middle schoolers like this is how the world's going to end, this is how it's going to happen.
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Look at here, and it's so, it's so effing ridiculous.
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You know what I'm saying.
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Like it's now, as a parent, I'm like who let these insane people tell me as a kid, you know, and it's so, it's kind of all of that.
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But I do think it's interesting that the faith that's like God's good, god's perfect will, god's.
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I can't wait to get out of here, cause it's all this sucks Well, sin, yes, but God couldn't do anything about.
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You know, get that spiritual schizophrenia.
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It's really fascinating when you really get into it and I am not interested in that anymore.
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I mean that kind of way of thinking about it all.
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But I found that that, tied into the conversation about suicide because here's the real thing about suicide and mental health is like, uh, we've in spirituality, we've and I talk about this right at the beginning is like we make God a product.
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We're like you got to get Jesus and it'll make your life better.
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But look, I had Jesus in my heart and I still wanted my heart to stop, like Jesus didn't solve that.
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Now could I say am I still around because of some kind of faith?
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Maybe I don't know, I don't know.
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I can't see all the the hidden strings pulling everything together.
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But what religion was offering me like failed at a spot, at a point in my mental health and I needed therapy and I needed, like rest and I needed identity, work and all these kinds of things.
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So so anyways, Grant, we could keep meandering in so many directions.
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So I endeavored to put something together and then bring this conversation and see where it'd go.
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And it started happening, and around the time, my Instagram was getting popular and so more and more people were like, oh, what's this thing you're doing and then people would talk about it.
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The time my Instagram was getting popular and so more and more people were like, oh, what's this thing you're doing?
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And then people would talk about it.
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And then, and then I got a book deal.
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Covid happened.
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I didn't do it for a year and a half and I started touring it again after I made it into a book and and now I'm like not doing it anymore because it's taped and I'll be like here's the book, here's, here's the special, here's, and, and I'm working on my next thing.
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So, uh, so I've been doing this work for like five years and um, but I really enjoyed all that it led me to and and the journey it brought me on.
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Somebody asked me today on instagram they're like what are your thoughts on ai?
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And uh, because I don't.
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They seem like they were like you seem kind of pro AI and I don't know if I am pro AI or not.
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You do seem that way to me.
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How would you know that?
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What kind of person seems pro AI?
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Yeah, like how would I possibly know that?
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What is?
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the rubric I just said it's going to happen whether we like it or not.
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For me it's just another tool.
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But here's what I said.
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I was like the thing that AI can't take away is the process of transformation that the artist puts themselves through.
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You know, as in like.
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Is it going to affect industries?
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Oh, most likely.
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Yeah, some people are going to, but technology has done that.
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There was a time in the 80s that if you knew how to do one thing on a film set, you could have a job.
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Now you kind of need to know how to do 10 things.
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You can't just be a gaffer.
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You got to have other kinds of things that you do, no-transcript in the tool set, just like a computer, just like an ipad.
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You know when some people like, when, uh, you know some people be like oh, can I get an original of that illustration?
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You did, and I'm like there is no original.
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The original is in an iPad.
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That then I airdropped to my phone, that then I put on Instagram.
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It's not, it doesn't exist.
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And yet it does exist there.
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There, there isn't the.
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I guess you mean like when will I print that out and I can hold it in my hands?
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You know, like there's so many things that have changed the landscape of, of art entity that is going through the transformational process, who then is like transcribing it?
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And that is my work.
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Sounds like you're pro-AI man.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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Sounds like you're into it, dude.
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You heard it here first.
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Everybody Scott Erickson is pro-AI.
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Besides eradicating the human race, I just don't want that to happen.
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Yeah, I mean that didn't sound fun, but so if we're going down the ai route, which it sounds like we're.
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It sounds like we're already there, right, it sounds like we already hit the button and there's not a lot going back on that.
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So you don't think like.
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This is a question that I would pose to you Like can AI create meaningful art?
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Well, I think things are only meaningful because of what it uncovers in you.
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So this is what I mean.
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Like, um, I used to be one of my other jobs.
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I used to be, like a, a live painter.
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Uh, look, I didn't grow up charismatic, but yeah, I didn't grow up charismatic.
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Later, later on, people would be like oh, you're like a prophetic painter.
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And I was like sure, I guess, I don't know.
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Know, I grew up lutheran.
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We like don't talk about the holy spirit, uh, the spirit, for a good couple decades and still, in some ways it's just changed.
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But like I would, at events, I would wait, I'd receive an image and then I'd make it.
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I wouldn't flip it upside, I wouldn't jump up and down when I did a, just boringly like, made this complex image and be like but what my?
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But?
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Afterwards people would come up and talk to me.
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And here's the experience I'm trying to relate to you is that people would be like what does this mean?
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And I'd be like, uh, I'm curious what.
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I have some thoughts, but I'm curious what, what's it hitting on you?
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And then they would tell me this whole thing.
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And then the next person would come up and be like what does this mean?
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I'd say the same thing and then they'd tell me something completely different.
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And I realized one of the great functions of art poems, music, film, imagery is it can be used as an excavation tool.
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What it's doing is it's excavating a deep conversation that you're having about existence.
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It's actually what I think prayer is.
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Prayer is not the words we say, the music, the images.
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Those are excavation tools.
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Prayer is the ongoing interior conversation you're having with the divine.
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There's many examples for this, but you could take the Bible.
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Have you ever read a passage of scripture and you underlined it and then, years later, you came back to that passage and you're like, oh, that part's good, but I'd underline this part.
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Now, what are we saying there?
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Did the Bible change?
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No, the conversation in you changed and it's reflecting, it's mirroring, it's excavating a different.
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Those words are excavating a different part of you, a different conversation.
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So art has a good function of that.
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So AI.
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Ai is just going, is just a big pattern maker.
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So it's going to look at all, if it can get to this.
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It's going to look at all the things we deem as meaningful art or our famous art, and then they'll start making its own concoctions of that, which is kind of what artists are doing.
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Whatever it can be meaningful, because if it does excavate something in in people, then yes, but I don't.
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If your question, I'm not sure, I don't think it's ever going to replace me.
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No, no, because it doesn't.
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It's not necessarily telling the feeling or the process.
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It's just like showing something and who knows you, I mean that's but we.
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But you can go to any like modern art museum and walk around and go.
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I don't know what any of this shit's supposed to mean.
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Like, like, I don't I mean, there's so many there's.
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So there's so many things like I remember being at the uh, philadelphia art museum and there's some very famous works there, things I studied in college.
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But I remember after like a couple hours I was like this still isn't as cool as a rock show.
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You know, like people just people are like trying to find some like why am I here?
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Why did I pay 35 dollars?
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You know they're they're trying to find something meaningful and I think what's really meaningful is story and transformation.
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And then, like they had this great renoir exhibit and I was like you know, it'd be great if Renoir was here and he could be like, come, come, let me show you these paintings I made.
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This is my neighbor, alain and Emily, and here's their like laundry hanging in the backyard.
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You know he didn't tell you where all this stuff came from.
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Just seeing things on its own, you could admire the beauty of it and it and stuff, but, like, I think it's the story that really makes things meaningful.
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So yeah, so maybe when ai does that, I mean maybe ai will become a really good storyteller I don't know, man.
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All I know is I'm.
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If I had to put myself in a camp, I'd be anti-AI, anti-ai.
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It's kind of scary.
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It's not like I'm fearful, it's just like it's crazy.
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The technology curve of how it can build itself and how fast it could go is kind of a problem.
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But I'd hope that we could just like like.
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This sounds probably very ignorant of me, but I I'd hope we could just hit the off button.
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You know the like power runs out at some point, like if it gets like crazy out of control.
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You'd hope you could just hit the off button somewhere yeah, you know, uh, a movie just came out last year called the Creator, and it's okay, I wasn't a big fan, but it was really cool visually.
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Visually it was a really cool story and this maybe wasn't obvious.
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It wasn't obvious to me, but when a friend walked me through I was like, oh yeah, what this friend was saying is she's like what if AI?
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Everybody's afraid that AI is going to take on the worst parts of being human.
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But what if?
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What if artificial intelligence took on the best parts of being human?
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And actually in that movie, ai is trying to stop the war.
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Ai is trying to stop the conflict.
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It's the humans that are afraid and they want to keep destroying it.
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But AI invents a thing that's going to stop all wars for people's sake.
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And I think that's a fascinating idea, because AI is only going to just reflect our own, the duality in us which is our amazing capacity to be selfless and our amazing capacity to be selfish less and our amazing capacity to be selfish.
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And we find ourselves constantly in between those decisions for a myriad of reasons, and trying to navigate a world and wanting, and you know, and I think why the teachings of Jesus resonate with me is because he is asking us to go the way of selflessness, the way of love, and that's why it's a still an invitation and a fascinating story for me If AI decided to.
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Yeah, I don't know, I get.
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I mean, I get the doomsayers.
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I get the one where AI is like you know, we're going to manufacture paperclips.
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The best way to do that is humans have iron in them, let's you know like, and so we're going to kill humans so we can make paper.
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You know, there's that kind of those fantastical realities, but I wonder in some ways that maybe it actually what if it helps us to choose selflessness better?
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I don't know.
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Yeah, it's worth thinking about, at least I'm.
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I'm always a little cautious, though, because there are really good people in the world, but there's also really bad people.
