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00:00 - Podcast Updates and Reflections
06:09 - Podcast as a Ministry Perspective
15:54 - The Power of Listening and Learning
33:10 - Exploring Perspectives and Wisdom Through Listening
Hi, this is Grant Lockridge. I'm here with Jared Tafta and Logan Rice and we wanted to give you all just a little update on what's going on. Jared just had a kid first time for this year, so that's a jam. What is it? Four kids in four or five years, something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, four kids and five, five and some change which is insane.
Speaker 1:So that's what you haven't.
Speaker 2:It's really not not been painful for me as much as like the most arduous thing in the world for my beautiful wife, so I can't really take much credit for any of that.
Speaker 1:You're saying the childbirth process wasn't painful for you. That makes sense. Comparatively when my I feel like a bug.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when my wife is pregnant with that's fair. First the guy had. She got me a shirt that said we're pregnant, but mostly her and I. Just I got to wear that because we're like oh yeah, we're pregnant. Like I'm not pregnant, like my poor wife is the one. Yes, bear this beautiful child for nine months. So, yeah, we have the easy way out. Yeah.
Speaker 2:My wife's vomiting in the back, my wife's vomiting in the back every morning and people are like you're a dad and like I don't think I count yet. That's what.
Speaker 1:I hear.
Speaker 2:Sure when they're teenagers.
Speaker 1:That's when you step in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're good First, first baby of the year.
Speaker 3:You still got some time to change rock and roll in.
Speaker 1:If you want to be a year, that's good stuff.
Speaker 2:My wife will be terrified if she listens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's. She's not going to have a good time with that, almost guaranteed. Beautiful little boy.
Speaker 2:So three boys, one girl, and yeah. Yeah, there's other news around the table, but that's been my news at my house.
Speaker 1:So if you're wondering where Jared was at, he didn't leave, he just was having a child, yeah. Yeah, by him having a child, I mean his wife's having a child, yeah.
Speaker 2:Grant and I have a role that we love this podcast, but our families do take priority, and so we will just disappear on one another. If necessary, stay in touch.
Speaker 1:But and I don't have any kids, so I've been kind of driving the boat for a second, but glad to be back on with the quote unquote across the counter team, if you will. So, yeah, updates as far as why Jared went there. Another update is we're going to try to start doing a little bit of video, a little bit better job of getting more guests that you guys want to listen to, which is kind of awesome, and I knew nothing about video, so just try my best to go through it. Logan gave me that half smile. Well, the first thing is going to release is going to be trash yeah.
Speaker 2:So any announcements back at y'all. That's, that's my life. Any, we can cut this out if you guys lives are boring, but anything new, fresh Not really.
Speaker 1:I've just been been chilling Same same thing. Nothing that should be on the podcast, I can assure you that on keeping on.
Speaker 2:So wait you should tell them about your, your commitment to once a week, no matter what, oh yeah. So the reason that one of our guests backed out his name no.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding, but his name is and I quote Just kidding Quote, no.
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:But our commitment is we're going to release an episode a week for at least two years. So we're doing that and we're going to keep doing that, and that's our commitment to you guys and ourselves to keep us to be more consistent men, which is which is good, because me and Jared are very inconsistent.
Speaker 3:You have any episodes I've missed?
Speaker 1:I've just I've said that every week for two years, but on my own with our powers combined, we are maybe one whole man. That's true. That is true. We're trying our best.
Speaker 2:Grant I will say as praise and encouragement. Grant is the dude, the spearheading, the consistency, so that he says he's not consistent. He has been the one that has anchored us in this endeavor. So appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 1:We're, we're going to do that, that's it. We're doing it regardless. So if you guys get a little pansy, 30 second episode every now and again just now, that's, that was our goal, but that ain't going to happen because we got a guest a week for the next six weeks at least.
Speaker 2:Or if you get an episode that that just feels and sounds like hot mess in your ears like this particular one. Yeah, yeah, just know that that was our genuine best, like that was everything we had to offer, and please judge accordingly.
Speaker 1:Speaking of judgment? Oh God, no, so, so let's go. So now we're going to shift gears here a little bit. We've we've done our little announcements, but we're going to shift gears and do a fun thing that we came up with of just like kind of looking back and figuring out what we've all learned through this process, logan being a listener and then a guy that's been on it, I wanted to call you a co-host. So I'm going to call you a co-host from now on and probably add you on the Instagram, just because that's fun. Let's go. And, yeah, just figuring out what we've all learned. So I'll start with with Logan as, as the listener guy, what have, what have you learned through this process of going from listener to more involved in the project? I didn't want to call it a ministry because you know, I was talking to a guy the other day that helped my unbelief guy and he was like this podcast is a ministry and I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't feel we've reached ministry, you'd be surprised that I'm hit by this kind of for fun. As well as give me some encouragement. I was telling somebody about a camera who was doesn't matter, but I was talking to somebody about the podcast and he's like, oh man, I really need to send this to my buddy because he's been talking about, you know, wanting to have a space to kind of hear a plurality of different perspectives and views and beliefs on certain things. And so I do think, like as a listener, I would view it as a ministry. Maybe not how one would, would think of defining ministry, as maybe it so often is called as utilized, which is like you're going out and you're, you're getting your hands dirty and you know you're doing labor intensive work and your painting walls, what it may be, but I do think it is a ministry and the fact that, as a listener, y'all are doing ministry work in being willing to step out and have conversations, and that's hard to do, it's hard to listen to a wide amount of beliefs and thoughts and perspectives and listen for listening sake rather than listening to respond. So I think in that way it is a ministry and I've been, I was and still am encouraged by just hearing that, the conversations and the really good questions and the answers that our guests give. I think it is a really helpful place for people to come and to hear exactly what you say of a variety of perspectives and beliefs about Jesus Christ, and it's educational. It's funny. I think you guys do a good job of keeping it lighthearted and funny while at the same time asking some on-the-nose questions, and it's been really cool to hear people answer that and you can tell. I think one of the things I've appreciated about the podcast as a listener and what made me want to get involved, is you can tell that all of our guests feel comfortable or have felt comfortable, you know, for the most part, in how they answer, like they answer. I haven't at least sensed a feeling of sorry. I haven't sensed any feelings of defensiveness in any of the conversations. I think that's really important and I think it's really easy to pick up on the defensive tones and things quickly can turn into an argument. Which is what I think keeps us from having conversations in our day-to-day walk is because it's really hard to hold the tension of a conversation that you might not agree or enjoy where it's going or what you're hearing, and so you want to try to defend and we're so adamant about being right or the other person being wrong, rather than being able to hold that tension and hold our personal beliefs in tow or strongly, while allowing the other person to share what they're going through and what they see and how they view things. And so that's been really encouraging and then, I think, coming on board. I think another thing that's been really cool and refreshing is just how laid back it is and how like there's, I think, what we're able to do in having conversations, while it also being just an open-handed commitment of like, hey, we want to do an episode every two years, and then I mean once every two years, we want to do an episode once a week for two years, and then we'll just see where God takes that open-handed posture. But it doesn't feel like this is a force If we're not in the top 50 at the end of the two years, and this was a failure. I mean, I think just the process of the podcast and the process of having these conversations and the practice of having these conversations, both as a listener and the times that I've been able to be a part of them, has helped me immensely in my own personal walk in life and in my professional walk in life, conversations that I've had with y'all that have been on the podcast and have been at coffee shops over the past gosh six years. All those things have shaped me, and I think this podcast is just an extension of that and inviting others into having that conversation. So that's my encouragement and perspective and learning as a listener. And now I will turn the question back to y'all, as the folks who have been. This was Grant, I know this was a big project or a thing that was on your heart. That kind of got started. And, jared, you're one of the most talkative people I've ever met my entire life, and so for y'all to come together and have a podcast about listening has been really cool, and so I would love to hear what that has been like for y'all to.
Speaker 1:Okay. Jared add some notes.
Speaker 2:I think that was a compliment. I'm messing with you, brett. Well, logan, likewise, you are a beautifully talkative soul and that's why you and I deeply enjoy one another's company. Yeah, even the idea of talking and listening with enough, just enough time dedicated, where your words aren't rushed and there's not a like, a product that you're trying to manufacture. I don't know, that's just been. It's been that special place for me and like small groups and relationships, just to just be there with consistency but not have an expectation. So a lot of what this space has been in Grant's initiation of commitment, it's kind of like holding down a like in a campaign. If you say like no matter what, like a campaign of war, like no matter what, like I'm holding this hill and to hold that spot and then allow others to come up and be with you. Like to me, that's what it looks like, what a man just says, like he's committing to something. So because Grant has committed with consistency, it's encouraged me and Logan and our guests. He hasn't committed with a, with a vision of it's going to look like this or it's not going to look like that. He's just committed with I will be here and we will release and we will do our best to have a good time and I don't know there's like power in that. So I think I've learned more about just the impact of letting your your yes be yes and your no be no. I've also learned a lot about Limiting your yes. So just because you say yes to one thing doesn't mean you're saying yes to everything. You know, grant and I've said we're going to release one a week and we're also going to release videos and we're also going to release this and this. And then it's like you know what actually Net minimum, we're going to release a podcast a week Because, like babies and all this other stuff and like you, just don't know what's coming tomorrow. But even that I feel like I've learned. You know, we're not gonna say we're gonna go here, we're gonna do go there and do business. We're not gonna say we're gonna go here and release and we're gonna do this and release we're. I think we're truly saying in our heart that if the Lord wills, we'll release a podcast every week and as far he has will and it's been good. And I think maybe the last thoughts on that idea of ministry is Is to me I'm thinking about like a battlefield medic. There's a difference between calling something a ministry and then ministering to a person, so participating in activities that minister to a Not really good. Who determines the worth of ministering that is taking place? Is it not the patient, the body of the one being ministered to, who deserves the praise for the healing that takes place, the effectual producer of said healing? So to me, I think our audience get to determine whether or not this is a Ministry. If this is ministering to your soul, then, by the grace of God, this hot mess that is us just trying to make a commitment is Effectually doing something to your soul. Let me just be clear and make a promise. That is not me, grant Logan or, I guess, living, breathing God, who is speaking and dancing and singing. He's enthroned in our praises and so it's. What I've learned is if we, as men or Women, if we as believers, will let our yes be yes, if we'll make a commitment and we'll just show up, guys not really asking us to make anything happen, we'll just show up and believe, just be on the boat and and believe that he's there. And you know, in a life that feels like chaos and waves and storm tossed Insanity, every time we keep showing up a god, this unchanging and unwavering his in his love Says I've been waiting for you and and that's really really good. It's really good to hear that from a million different perspectives, from a lot of different Listeners, comments and our guests. It's good to hear that as we just get to learn. So, as much as I Would love for this podcast to be a ministry, honestly, this, this podcast, is a ministry because it's ministered to us. Now, that would be what I would as the net minimum, that's really good, that's beautiful had a long time just away, saw a baby born. So, grant, I also say if anything is I guess maybe this is the point if anything is good and anything is a factual and anything is healing, anything is a value, it should be clear that it is not us, because this is Legitimately like the best we've got to offer. In a lot of weeks it's not a lot, and so if this tiny little flame lights your fire, man, praise God and give us some comments, because sometimes we need our fires relit to. So I'm excited that that God is using this in our own lives. I pray that he's using it in our listeners lives. We've heard that he's blessing our guests and that's enough, man. So thank you, grant, for taking the lead beautiful man, gosh, I don't know something.
Speaker 1:Something that I've learned from this process of creating a podcast and all that stuff is One just how hard it is to listen to somebody and not argue with them is actually harder than you'd think it would be, because if somebody says something you disagree with, immediately you want to like Correct their theology because you know everything about theology, of course and like Correct their thinking and be like, hey, you should be more on my camp or I should be more on yours, maybe, or something like that. And it's harder than you'd think to not Immediately be like, okay, draw line in the sand, I'm on this side, you're on this side. Let's acknowledge that and let's argue about it. Now. I think there is a legitimate space for debate if, if we're both saying, hey, we're gonna count each other's better than ourselves and Debate one another and try to get to the truth. That's a different thing, that's no I'm saying. I'm saying the argument of tearing one another down to the point where you can like grab them and get them on your side is basically what I'm saying. But the idea of just actually listening to a person, listening to their struggles, listening to their ideas, and not Just being like hey, I want to talk over you, or hey, I want my ideas to be more important than yours, or or something like that is a lot harder than I thought it would be and it's hard to not let the flesh get in the way of that of like hey, I want to be the guy that says something smart, or I want to be the guy that you know says all the intelligent things and Really brings this home and I want to take light off the guest and be able to like talk about whatever I'm doing. And that's as humans. That is really really difficult. I think, at least for me, of not wanting to Be in the spotlight and I'm actually very much not the type of person that likes being in the spotlight but still the idea of like me being intelligent matters to me and I've realized through this that that that doesn't matter as much. Then, like loving the other person throughout the the hour or so we get with them and really showing them that like hey, I genuinely care about what you have to say and, genuinely, jesus loves you, no matter what Happens here, no matter what you say back to me. Like I'm gonna try my best to show Jesus to you, but also not stepping on your toes of, like you know, wrestle you with theology of how Jesus changed my life, but also just like acting in a way to where they believe that Jesus is in us, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:So you know it's when you said like it matters that you're you're seen as intelligent. Sometimes I think about that as in like it matters that I'm seen as intelligent, but I also have a motivation of just being heard like. Sometimes just want to be heard and Tell me if you relate to this. The desire to be heard has lessened the more that we interview people Like I genuinely, and I wonder if the roots of that are like being heard is also being known. But something has happened in as we genuinely listen and we ask real, like God, honoring, loving questions, it's like the valuing of the other person makes them genuinely value you back. So that desire of like being known or heard or valued, I feel like has truly come from a legitimate interest in care and love of the guest, regardless of their theological position. Would you agree with that? Like the being heard has kind of. Does that make sense what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I would definitely say that that's true for me too, of that and one, it's just like it lit a fire under me that like genuinely I want it. Like in my community grew up the other day like we were going through like life stories and stuff like that and I just didn't want to talk, like I just wanted to hear what they had to say and like a bunch of people like ask questions some were funny, some were not and for some reason I just like didn't ask a question because like I was just actually listening that I forgot to ask a question and that just doesn't happen for me ever. I was like man, maybe you know, usually I'm like, oh, I can probably put something funny in there, but I don't know, man, it definitely has been a strengthening process in my like walk with Jesus and in just conversation in general, being able to get a conversation going, but also like get it going in a way that it just goes and you don't have to like continue like digging it out of somebody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the how to listen and not argue being harder than you think. Most recently, the conversations I've had have been around the like the overwhelming silence of Christ. And what I mean by that is like how much have we learned about what seems like the silence of Christ? You know, john writes that there could not be enough books to store everything that he did and said. But the New Testament is not that long and we have a lot of representation of Christ on the way to the cross and not making a defense for himself, being silent. And I've just been like overwhelmed by the fact that the God of the universe showed up as our Messiah and didn't explain himself, didn't make a bunch of defenses for himself, like in his action. He just showed up and like showed us what love looked like. And so maybe that's the last thought for me on what you just said, grant is like up until this point, when I read Proverbs, I'm kind of sick of the amount of times that Proverbs talks about a man of many words, and if one that comes to mind right now is like the man of many words being a babbling brook, but the man of few words being a deep river that moves swiftly and I don't know. I've longed for that, but maybe in good, joyous, creative desire to know you and I and Logan sometimes have just been men of many words with a need to express those words openly, to understand, and some of that's the way we process. But I think I've learned a lot more of what it's like to just be still and kind of process with the Lord, even with the guests at the table. So, man, I'm thankful for the opportunity that God has taught us so much. And again, just because of Grant's commitment almost a stubborn commitment, I almost wondered too, like, and you will get a pocket.
Speaker 3:I too read the Proverbs and like, oh man, I'm the babbling brook, but I often read that passage or those passages like that. There's many in Proverbs. Or like the quiet man or the man of a few words is full of wisdom and at least for me, I've read those typically as the person who's talking a lot doesn't really know a lot, but the person who listens is probably right and I view wisdom as rightness. But in hearing y'all talk about just the power of listening, while also simultaneously I mean I have as a listener, I have heard and been listening to some of the podcast and like audibly in my car reacted of like, oh man, like whether it was I disagree or I didn't even know it was a perspective that somebody would hold or things like that. And I almost wonder if, if the wisdom from being somebody a few words, or the wisdom that that y'all and I guess we collective are gaining from that is even if they're, even if a Theological viewpoint is not necessarily something that we feel Convicted or led to adopt in a conversation there's wisdom in just hearing that perspective out. There's so many, there's so many conversations that if I think back and think about the times I've heard somebody say something and really listen to them and taken that when, in conversations to come or in circumstances to come, where there's a choice in the road, I've taken what they've said into consideration, even if I haven't immediately like Agreed or disagreed with them in that moment. So Would y'all think that, would y'all say that some of the a question is Do you think some of the wisdom that you're gaining from this is not necessarily Rightness or a oh wow I've never thought about this before and so I'm going to. I'm gonna start thinking like a Methodist or like a Schipalian or like a Catholic or whatever whatever you want to say but rather the wisdom is in just being silent and listening and hearing their perspectives on things in full totality, and then has that, I guess? A question then is has that come up in y'alls day-to-day lives as you walk? Has there been a guest that, because you had that conversation with them, in the weeks or months to come, you're shaped by that in a way that equips you to have a conversation with somebody else at a coffee table or A dinner table or whatever it may be? Have you seen that happen in your life?
Speaker 2:Go ahead Grant.
Speaker 1:You over there pouring a baby.
Speaker 2:Hey, that was a pretty clean pop of the cat there.
Speaker 1:I don't agree. If you got headphones on, that's gonna that's gonna show up.
Speaker 2:You're welcome.
Speaker 3:On sense and we can just pick up from there. But though, the 1689, the 1619 podcast is an Anglican podcast and they like pride themselves on drinking whiskey and smoking pipes while they're doing their podcast and so, like mid-paw, you're just here, this, the Zippo you know, link open and then light it. It's like it's ridiculous. Okay, so cut out everything I just said. And here's my question. So, jared, I've, when I read those passages and proverbs, I to one become immediately convicted by the, the rebuke of the man of many words. But I I've also read those historically as seeing the man who speaks less, with the wisdom being being right and wisdom being equivalent or synonymous with being right or correct. But I almost wonder if, in hearing what you guys just said about you know listening and and letting the wisdom of Listening be a center point, have you guys seen wisdom come to fruition in your life After you've had a particular conversation with a guest, like have have guest conversations when you've listened to these, the variety, different perspectives, whether you agree, disagree, or have never heard of that perspective before. Or have those conversations Equipped you or shown up again in your life as you have Coffee with somebody or dinner with somebody or, you know, just everyday conversation?
Speaker 1:No, I definitely do all right, then.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1:Okay, you like looked halfway through this question and I was like there's something going on here I should know about. I'm just being weird, it's Friday, I'm tired, cool beans, um. So the answer absolutely is yes. Just because, like, this is probably a really dumb example, but I was talking to this guy about the book of Enoch. You know me spit on the floor yeah which is a whole, which is a whole can of worms. Like you know how, like the apocrypha and the book of Enoch, and there's all sorts of YouTube videos, and if you get lost on a, you know, the algorithm will bring you to from conspiracy videos to religion videos, to the book of Enoch, and you know, through and through. But I told you it might be a dumb example, but just actually listening to that man about the book of Enoch, about how he felt about it and how it like shaped him a little bit, because like I'm not kidding you, bro like two years ago I would have been like just laughing at him, which is like really dumb, but like I would have legitimately been like the book of Enoch, stupid, like it is over you. Yeah, it's a fun thing to read, but like dude, don't, that's so dumb, and now I'm actually Entertaining is kind of a bad word. But like Hearing him and genuinely like putting into my brain what he says and then thinking about it, and not immediately like thinking like what can I say to get off of this, or what can I say to discredit this, or what joke can I make, or like anything like that. I'm like, okay, what?
Speaker 2:Hey, how can I get away from you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's not to say that there's not a time and a place to be like hey, that's nonsense, which Not? I mean, there is a. I'm not gonna go on my whole thing on the book of Enoch, but, that being said, it really did help me. I have noticed a legitimate difference in myself of being able to hear like Perspectives that I just completely Don't agree with, or out of left field, and being able to like hear the person, like behind it, instead of like being like the book of Enoch's crazy sauce what are you talking about? And just like actually being like. Okay, I'm not gonna mention his name, but okay, this guy has a name. How's he doing? You know what? What led him to His intense obsession with the book of Enoch? Like, where's that coming from? So I don't know. The answer is yes, that's just that happened. What it was today, friday, that happened two days ago. So that's just an immediate example.
Speaker 2:That's kind of a weird example, but that it has helped for sure yeah, I gotta, I Gotta give a shout out to somebody whose name I can't mention because he's going to be with the Lord now, but it was Kent Kane and and he was just like Six foot nine, just older guy that would come to our small groups a few years ago and just a solid dude, just so often had like a simple, like almost cliche truth a Lot of times like what, what can't, what Kent was like on about Would always end in it's all about the heart and sometimes when you hear that from a person over and over, you just like man. I know, dude, like stop saying the same thing. But when somebody's like enamored by a truth and they can't get away from it, it kind of grows on you. But my shout out Go on the book of Enoch. Sometimes in a room of 15 people and he's like this, 68 year old. I'm like, hey, bro, you can't like I know he was picked up by his hair and taken over and dropped in like I know there's dragons and I like Kent, we got to have private conversations. Dog like Just met Jesus, can you take a breath?
Speaker 1:See heaven.
Speaker 2:That would happen and he would like be like it's for real, y'all got to get in it and be like Kent. Come on, man, so like you just making me think of that. But this is also the reason that if anything is valuable, if anything is beneficial, like from this hot mess, it's definitely from the Lord, because his spirit is working and living in, active, even in the midst of our mess read the book of Enoch. So, in response to Logan's question, or thoughts, when I think about wisdom I think about God saying that wisdom was with him at the beginning. I think about wisdom being right, understanding, app and application of Alignment with reality, like this kind of how I process the idea of wisdom. So, for a super simple, almost childlike example, I Feel like God's been talking to me a lot about, or I've just been thinking a lot about the idea of like a puzzle box, where you see the picture on the front, but almost as though you only see the spectrum of your own life. So imagine if, like everybody in the world, had a visual of a puzzle, like you know how a puzzle has, like the picture on the front of it. I do and then like, imagine that you only see like a small portion of that. So if there are just a thousand people in the world like you, only see like your one piece of the thousand perspectives. So what's been interesting to me about sitting with people and learning to listen is I it felt like before I was Consumed with the idea of being right, like Logan said, and that meant that every new bit of information or new bit of truth had to had to have a place to go, like we've talked about, but talked about that before, like I need to be able to put it somewhere and it needs to be able to rightly relate to everything else I understand. So that was almost like on a puzzle box, like the moment you would see a piece that looks slightly familiar, like being consumed with having to find where that piece goes Before you continue working on the puzzle and if you've ever worked a puzzle of more than 20 pieces, you know that that makes you kind of insane because sometimes you just can't find where that piece goes. But if you keep moving around and Learning pieces as you go, you begin to learn a grander picture of what's going on and you're not so consumed with your arrogance and pride of making sure each piece goes in the right place at the current time and moment that you're seeing that piece. So for me, listening to people it has, and learning to be more still and learning to learn, it has almost been like sitting at the table with wisdom and and putting a puzzle together and and it just being okay that I don't know where this piece goes Like yes, there's fundamentals, there are four corners to this puzzle. Like that's fine, there's four corner pieces. Outside of that there's a bunch of edge pieces, there's a bunch of pieces in the middle. I mean I'm putting together a puzzle with my kid and like there's clouds down here, but there's clouds up there too, and like maybe the spot goes here, maybe it goes there. So there's been an immense freedom for me. And, like you know, wisdom says in proverbs that she's crying out in the streets Into the fool. If he would just listen that he could learn and grow. It's like to me it almost feels like the fool, like I have been the fool that has come to the table and been able to just like enjoy the putting together of this beautiful puzzle With the Lord and wisdom, and like it's okay that we just learn as we go, and there's a lot of people that would say, like you know, how are you not Proving God right, or proclaiming truth, or or or letting people know when they're wrong? And To me, as Grant said, there is a time and place for that, but this is not. It like the place for this is just listening, and that's been incredibly valuable. So I don't know if that makes sense to you guys, but Like that has been. The value, in my opinion, of being able to sit is like learning how little I know, but how beautiful the the piece is that's coming together. Does that make sense looking?
Speaker 3:Maybe, grant, you can say this, since you do the intro, but like I feel like that's what part of seeing the perspectives are For doing a puzzle you have to look at it from different perspectives, you can't just focus in on one corner. I think it's a good. I think it's a great place to end.
Speaker 2:I think maybe the the last thought and, like you guys, give feedback on this and then we can end, but it's. I think we together have come to understand we don't have a complete and we never will on what the entire majesty of God's puzzle is, because that valuable to say. Oh yeah, can we. Can we agree on?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll tell you, is because the puzzle has four corners, dang it, corners of the flat earth. The earth is flat biblically. And they went to the moon the other day and they did go, that's false.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh.
Speaker 1:And the end. Thanks for listening to the across the counter podcast. If you enjoyed the show, please rate us five stars wherever you got this podcast. Thanks, y'all.
